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If you want to know why Donald Trump is faring so poorly with women voters, look no further than his third and current campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway. In 2013, Conway appeared on PBS’s To The Contrary to discuss the issue of women in military combat roles and she ended up offering a glimpse into her own views on gender.

The conversation was predictable at first, with the liberal commenters arguing that women should not be discriminated against and the conservatives protesting that we need the best, strongest military we can get and that women generally do not meet the physiological standards required for combat roles.

Conway, a Republican pollster, even was even open-minded enough to say that if women soldiers can pass the same physical strength and stamina tests as male soldiers, they should perhaps be allowed to serve—emphasizing that she wants “the best prepared military, regardless of gender.”

And that’s when she went off the rails, arguing that “if [women] were physiologically as strong as men, rape would not exist.” Watch the jaw-dropping clip below:

Conway may want to study up on her rape statistics a bit. Here are some facts from the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network that she might have wanted to take into consideration before making such a cold and cruel statement:

  • 11% of rapes involve a weapon of one kind or another
  • 10% of rapes involve two or more perpetrators
  • Ages 12-34 are the highest risk years for rape and sexual assault
  • Females ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape
  • 1 out of every 10 rape victims are male

To The Contrary is an “all women’s news analysis television program…about women’s rights, women’s issues and equality.”